[ Yuji had been horrifically shy when he had first been dragged into the club.
It had all happened because of all the people he meets out there, 'normally', seem to think that he's some kind of muscle jock, the kind of guy that's going to pin them down and take charge, when the reality is something more close to the opposite. He doesn't want to be the one giving orders, he wants to take them, and after hearing him complain about it for enough evenings his friends had shoved him in here and told him to do his best.
The club has an excellent reputation for being safe, vetting their clients, ensuring privacy and protection for all of their clientele, and that had soothed some of Yuji's more surface level concerns. The rest of his worries were things like not being good enough, not being educated enough, not being sure enough, and that meant that he had found himself wandering aimlessly, taking in all the different things.
The rope, people on their knees, collars and leashes, whips, marks here and there, the complete devotion and the clear trust between people - yeah. He realises it as soon as he sees it: he wants that.
And then Geto-san had found him, and they'd talked, and then suddenly he had been drawn to somewhere more private, given a tour, things explained, and Yuji is torn between being utterly overwhelmed and so hard he has no blood left to think rational thoughts. Settled down on a quiet sofa with the other man, leaning close to him, he licks his lips as he answers his questions, looking shy and excited at the same time. ]
[ Suguru doesn't always personally take on the responsibility of helping newbies settle into the club. In fact, since achieving The Black Knot's current level of popularity and business, Suguru is rarely involved with newcomers unless he's teaching a beginners' class. As the proprietor of the club, he holds an inherent level of power that he is mindful not to exert unethically over the patrons of his establishment. Occasionally, he plays with his close friends or a casual play partner, but he tries to actively keep his space safe, to prevent anyone (including himself) from using the venue as a hunting ground for accessible prey – aka inexperienced bottoms who can't even remember the difference between SSC and RACK.
The fact that Suguru takes it upon himself to rescue Yuji from his own wide-eyed overwhelm is unusual on its face. He gives the younger man a thorough breakdown of the club, its rules and practices, some of the play that was consistently available, how to identify a dungeon monitor, and all manner of other tidbits that gave Yuji a leg-up on understanding his own place amongst the kinksters already participating enthusiastically.
Once the tour is complete, Suguru shows Yuji to one of the quieter back rooms where the powerful bass of the club music is barely a dull vibration in the distance, the lighting is low and atmospheric, and there are a few comfortable places for people to unwind and chat without the chaos of the venue.
On the couch with Yuji, Suguru's smile spreads as he cocks an intrigued eyebrow at the younger man. ]
I did notice that you seemed curious about that. What part were you interested in? The bondage itself or the edgier options like that suspension?
[ Suguru was pleased to see someone making use of one of the portable spider trusses while he was showing Yuji around, letting him see a rigger in the midst of hoisting his rope bunny into the air in a suspended hogtie. One of the tamer full-body options, but still an impressive feat to see an entire human dangling above the ground by a few ropes alone. ]
[ This is all a little overwhelming for someone like Yuji, whose experiences are a little more on the tame side.
He’s played around a little with a partner in the past, but it was never as serious as any of this. He’d had a safe word because they’d thought it was important and he’d had his eyes covered, one time his wrists tied up, but it was never as delicate or as cool as the stuff he’d seen today. The level of precision and care that he’d seen, the skill that these people all had… It was awe inspiring.
It also left him with the overwhelming desire to take part in it all - to be the person wrapped up in rope, to be suspended, maybe, to be worshipped like that and then be able to give something in return. Submission had been intense and scary when he’d researched it, but when Suguru had shown him around and explained more it hadn’t felt quite so intimidating.
It felt more like something he needed. Like… He’d feel so good he could never turn back.
Sitting with Suguru continues to have him a little overwhelmed with want, shifting in the seat as they talk. Is it normal to be so worked up and horny over just talking about things? It feels a little crazy to him. ]
I think… Both? The suspension feels a little scary and advanced for me right now, but I’ve played around with rope before and I really liked it. It was a lot of fun?
[ He looks around, almost nervous, shy. ]
I don’t really know how to approach people for this stuff either.
[ It's impossible to miss the bubbling excitement that seems just below the surface with Yuji, especially sitting this close on the sofa. One arm on the back of the couch, propping up his head by resting his temple against his knuckles, Suguru keeps his attention so raptly focused on Yuji. The younger man can't even seem to stay still, and that's just plain adorable. ]
Suspensions should only be done with riggers who are experienced and have a very solid grasp on required safety measures. It's considered edgeplay, but we allow it here as long as no hooks are involved.
[ Suguru doesn't have the time, effort, or inclination to deal with the health hazards of blood all over the place. ]
The good news is that it's usually very easy to approach someone for play. You introduce yourself, you're direct, you ask if they have time or might be interested in negotiating a scene with you, and if they say yes, great. If they say no: no harm, no foul.
[ Yuji blinks up at Suguru for a moment, trying not to let his obliviousness so some of the things going on here show as brutally as it is: what's edgeplay? He's making a mental list of terms to look up when he gets home, and desperately hoping he won't have forgotten them by the time he gets there. It's not as if he can grab his phone and google it while he's sitting here with someone who's taking care of him like this. ]
Hooks, huh... [ Yuji sighs. ] I feel like there's so much to learn, and I have no idea about any of it.
[ Making himself a little more comfortable on the sofa, he looks up at Suguru. He's really the only person that Yuji had been interested in so far, but he hasn't really made any direct attempt to show that he's interested in him sexually or anything like that - not that play like this has to be sexual, it could just be submission without orgasm, but he's kind of hoping for both...
He's almost pouting. ]
It's a little bit scary to do that when I don't know anyone. I know the club takes safety seriously and stuff like that, Geto-san, but I have no idea what I'm ready for yet.
[ Understandably, this is a lot for a newcomer to take in. Especially someone already less versed in the formal world of kink and its great, wide options. And also? It's easy to get overwhelmed and scooped up by would-be predators or the occasional top looking to whisk away new bottoms who never seem to visit the club again. A poor showing for any venue, and an occurrence Suguru tries to discourage actively – but those people will always grift their way in somehow.
Suguru can't claim his interest is innocent, by any means, but he's not trying to cordon Yuji away from anyone else or keep the younger man for himself; he just wants to ensure Yuji settles in comfortably.
And with the mention about not knowing anyone to play with... ]
Well, we're acquainted with each other now. We could negotiate a scene, if you'd like to play with me. [ If, per chance, maybe... (Like he hasn't noticed how worked up and eager Yuji is just from the conversation they're having. Shhhh.) ]
[ The idea of doing something with Geto-san is something that makes Yuji yearn, suddenly, desperately, for something that he's never had before. He's never really submitted to someone, never been tied up, never considered how it might feel in reality, outside his fantasies, but he wants it - he wants it so much, especially with someone like Geto.
Maybe meeting someone who seems to match him so well is what makes it feel so alluring, so exciting... But he's not sure how to express it without getting too enthusiastic or overwhelming.
His eyes rise to look at Geto, and he knows he's flushed, cheeks red, and he makes a soft noise of delight, a little laugh. 'If you'd like to play with me', as if Yuji would ever dare to even consider saying no. Geto seems so utterly perfect to him, so... ]
I'd really like that. [ He shifts a little, wiggling just an inch closer. Curious, interested, wanting. ] I'd like you to guide me, please.
[ Suguru can't help his own soft chuckle. Yuji is practically wiggling with excitement like an overeager puppy waiting for a ball to be thrown, and Suguru finds it endlessly charming.
Reaching across the space between them, Suguru rests his fingertip just under Yuji's chin, pointing those big warm eyes upward to meet Suguru's dark gaze. ]
So polite.
[ But because he's not going to help himself to Yuji without permission, he lets his hand fall away into his lap. He straightens up, somewhat more businesslike in his posture. Negotiating with a bottom he's never played with before and who's very new means taking this part seriously and covering their bases. He wants to make sure Yuji gets a firmer foundation for negotiations and potentially approaching other tops in the future. ]
Now, you'd like to do some rope. What parts of your body were you thinking about having restrained? Your arms, your chest, your legs?
[ Yuji's eyes are glued to his face, drinking in Suguru for a moment as those fingers brush over his chin, and he swallows, licking his lips. Oh, he does want this a lot, and it's been a long time since he was this... Needy for someone. Desperate to kiss and touch them. It's like they're magnetised, and he's drawn closer and closer into Geto's orbit.
The hand falls away, and he comes back to himself briefly, before he breathes out. ]
I've had my hands tied up before, and that was nice, but I'd like to do more, I think?
[ The offer of doing so much more than that has him... He's not sure what the word is. All he can do is blush and stare at Suguru. ]
Across my chest, or my arms and legs... I'd like that too.
[ As if he's not desperate to be touched, wanting to feel those big, powerful looking hands all over him... It's probably embarrassing, just how much he wants this, how excited he is for Geto and him to do something together. ]
I don't mind, especially while we're figuring stuff out. Go ahead.
Excellent. [ His hands rest on Yuji's upper arms, then slide down to his elbows, guiding the boy's forearms behind his back. He folds them, one over the other, and shifts the younger man's hands to hold the arms in place. ]
I'm considering a box tie that will put the ropes here. [ He traces his fingers along the top of Yuji's chest, from one shoulder to the other, then lower, to demonstrate a second band. ]
Do you think you can keep your arms behind your back for a while?
[ It's almost natural to let Suguru move his arms, and they move without complaint or hesitation - they move and settle into place, and it feels different, but nothing bad. He can picture himself holding the position for a while, which is more than good enough for him, and his gaze tilts back up to look at Suguru; he already feels flushed.
Warm. Wanting.
From something as simple as this? How embarrassing. ]
It should be fine. It won't be any worse than martial arts training.
[ The dim lighting makes it hard to fully appreciate how flushed and eager Yuji is, but Suguru gets a sense of it already. He wants to see more.
That tidbit, however, catches Suguru's attention for a completely different reason. ]
Martial arts – is that so?
[ As a practitioner himself, he's naturally delighted to encounter others. Suguru drops his hands from Yuji to let the younger man relax again. ]
I'd like to hear much more about that later, Yuji. [ "Put a pin in that idea," basically. Because Suguru really wants to hear about Yuji's interests, especially if they involve that kind of physical activity.
A hand resting now on Yuji's thigh, Suguru demonstrates where he'd like the next ropes to sit. ]
How about binding your calves to your thighs? Pretty simple two-column tie, and it shouldn't be painful at all.
[ Yuji is fully prepared to go off on a tangent about his martial arts training, but the soft words from Geto-san have him stopping, at least for now. ]
Yeah. Remind me later, or I'll definitely forget.
[ Right now, his body is hyperfocused on the touches, the way that Geto's hand is moving over him, his fingers flexing. He doesn't even think to move his arms back in front of him, keeping them awkwardly in place as the attention shifts to his legs, instead.
He hadn't even considered his legs being tied up like that, but...
[ But now that the option is right there in front of him... Yuji hesitates a little, gaze lifting to look at Suguru before he blinks away. It's strange, to be suddenly shy when they're talking about doing something as intense as rope together, but...
This is something different. ]
I've done a little bit, but I can take a lot of pain, so it's kind of freaked people out, before.
[ High endurance and higher pain tolerance makes for people panicking over hurting him when he's fine. ]
Hmmm, unfortunately, I'm very familiar with that reaction – usually from people who've never encountered heavy bottoms before. But it can be quite a boon to have a high pain tolerance in this environment, I assure you.
[ Suguru himself has slept with and played with tops who weren't prepared for the level of pain that he could tolerate, that he would often solicit and encourage from proclaimed-sadists. As he's gotten older, he's learned how to select partners strong enough that they won't balk at Suguru's threshold for pain and physical punishment – but he remembers the early days of exploration that occasionally left him feeling out of place among other kinksters. He had to find the people whose style matched his own. On the other hand, he falls so naturally into his own sadism and need for control that he spent much of his time holding the reins to fill the community demand for proficient tops.
Now, in the role of an educator and venue owner, Suguru has a level of inherent power that he constantly minds. He doesn't play often, usually only privately, and he's selective – so the fact that Yuji caught his attention so avidly is unusual. (Maybe he sees something familiar in the younger man, something aching for acceptance and mirroring facets of Suguru's own desires. How can it not pique Suguru's curiosity?) ]
What kind of pain have you enjoyed? And what have you done before? If you don't mind me prying.
Oh, I guess it would be a good thing in a place like this.
[ Yuji's experiences are limited, unfortunately, because he's always ended up being the person in charge, or topping, or doing whatever his partner wants, so... It means that he's left to the realm of idle fantasy, that he's left to daydream about what he wants, and when he thinks about pain he knows he can handle a lot of it. He knows that he can take and take and not shy away from the more brutal side of things, and that's okay.
If it means he can fit in here... Then maybe the only thing he has to worry about is making sure it doesn't go too far. Geto-san had mentioned something about that earlier, hadn't he?
Gazing back up at the other man, he licks his lips, nodding. ]
I can get used to it really fast, so something that I don't expect or can't prepare for is probably what I want. I've had people hit me and spank me before, but they didn't want to hurt me so it was a little... Not bad, but not enough?
[ Yuji has Suguru's full, rapt attention, his eyes fixed on the younger man's face. He's memorizing these details, formulating as they go in a constantly evolving, constantly shifting portrait of who Yuji is as a kinkster. Of course, with Yuji's level of inexperience, they're both parsing this out together, but Suguru at least has years under his belt to help Yuji learn the steps to these new dances. ]
I see. Well, I'm happy to inform you that I would very much like to hurt you, Yuji. [ There's some playful humor in his smile as he winks at the younger man. ] But only in the ways you like to be hurt.
[ He'll never expect Yuji to endure pain that he finds unenjoyable or unfulfilling. Ideally, whatever they explore can be catered to Yuji's level – or at least to a level where Yuji can differentiate between the types of pain that most suit him. When play can't even approach someone's threshold for masochism, it can be difficult to gauge where that line exists between pain that just wasn't enough or applied the right way and pain that doesn't mesh with the sensations a bottom seeks. Since Suguru knows how to make all of this happen, he hopes that he can offer Yuji a window into understanding himself a bit better. ]
What if I put you across my lap after I tie you? [ He demonstrates by running his hand flat over his own thighs. ] It will keep your weight off your arms, and your legs should naturally keep you balanced across my thighs.
[ Having someone focus on him so intently, so intensely, has Yuji's cheeks going a brighter shade of red than before. He's never had someone look at him the way that Geto is, drinking him in and clearly devouring and memorising all the things coming out of his mouth, and it's as scary as it is delicious to witness. He wants more of it, even if he's nervous about what might happen when the two of them are alone and actually doing something together.
He trusts this man, this club, this moment, but he's not sure how much he trusts himself to be good when he's already feeling so much, so desperately. ]
I'd enjoy that a lot, Geto-san. Thank you...?
[ Pain that feels good... Yuji's accustomed to pain, but having it twinned with pleasure rather than grief is something for him to look forward to, something that he is going to find himself enjoying more than he can put into words. He'll definitely talk to Geto about it more, but it seems as though right now their focus might be on the rope...? They'll have to lay it all bare before anything starts, so...
[ Suguru is practically glowing with the anticipation of putting this into action, even if they're still working out the kinks (harharhar). ]
Fair warning: the ties on your legs will cause the muscles in your thighs and ass to strain when you're in my lap – which means any spanking will likely feel more intense and potentially painful than what you're used to.
We can warm up and experiment with what feels good, but I don't want you to be caught off-guard if it hurts more than you expect right off the bat.
[ Even though Suguru really likes to make it hurt. ]
[ Yuji knows he can ask for it to stop if he needs to, can't he? That's part of the system. He can stop it, or slow it down, or keep it going, depending on how he feels - and the same for Geto-san, too. If either of them are uncomfortable, it can end.
That's what makes it feel so much safer than doing it at home. ]
We can see what works best and what we both enjoy, can't we?
We certainly can. [ That's how Suguru prefers to play, too, and if Yuji has a genuinely high pain tolerance, then it won't be a problem. But considering it's their first scene together, he likes to cover the important bases. ]
How do you feel about incorporating more sexual play, too?
[ Suguru doesn't want to overstep and make any assumptions, of course, but he's very into Yuji. He'd like to see the younger man fall apart in subspace, maybe come his brains out, but he doesn't want to pressure Yuji as the owner of the club. ]
Then there's no problem. [ This is all new to Yuji, but he knows that he can dip his toes in, so to speak, and find the kinds of things that he enjoys the most. If Geto-san wants to help him with that, then he's not going to say no.
The man is far too hot to say no to, even if Yuji had doubts about it.
Even the gentle probing about sex and sexual play is enough to have Yuji blushing, licking his lips as he blinks up at the man beside him. ]
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kink club au.
It had all happened because of all the people he meets out there, 'normally', seem to think that he's some kind of muscle jock, the kind of guy that's going to pin them down and take charge, when the reality is something more close to the opposite. He doesn't want to be the one giving orders, he wants to take them, and after hearing him complain about it for enough evenings his friends had shoved him in here and told him to do his best.
The club has an excellent reputation for being safe, vetting their clients, ensuring privacy and protection for all of their clientele, and that had soothed some of Yuji's more surface level concerns. The rest of his worries were things like not being good enough, not being educated enough, not being sure enough, and that meant that he had found himself wandering aimlessly, taking in all the different things.
The rope, people on their knees, collars and leashes, whips, marks here and there, the complete devotion and the clear trust between people - yeah. He realises it as soon as he sees it: he wants that.
And then Geto-san had found him, and they'd talked, and then suddenly he had been drawn to somewhere more private, given a tour, things explained, and Yuji is torn between being utterly overwhelmed and so hard he has no blood left to think rational thoughts. Settled down on a quiet sofa with the other man, leaning close to him, he licks his lips as he answers his questions, looking shy and excited at the same time. ]
I was kind of interested in the rope stuff...?
🙏🙏🙏
The fact that Suguru takes it upon himself to rescue Yuji from his own wide-eyed overwhelm is unusual on its face. He gives the younger man a thorough breakdown of the club, its rules and practices, some of the play that was consistently available, how to identify a dungeon monitor, and all manner of other tidbits that gave Yuji a leg-up on understanding his own place amongst the kinksters already participating enthusiastically.
Once the tour is complete, Suguru shows Yuji to one of the quieter back rooms where the powerful bass of the club music is barely a dull vibration in the distance, the lighting is low and atmospheric, and there are a few comfortable places for people to unwind and chat without the chaos of the venue.
On the couch with Yuji, Suguru's smile spreads as he cocks an intrigued eyebrow at the younger man. ]
I did notice that you seemed curious about that. What part were you interested in? The bondage itself or the edgier options like that suspension?
[ Suguru was pleased to see someone making use of one of the portable spider trusses while he was showing Yuji around, letting him see a rigger in the midst of hoisting his rope bunny into the air in a suspended hogtie. One of the tamer full-body options, but still an impressive feat to see an entire human dangling above the ground by a few ropes alone. ]
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He’s played around a little with a partner in the past, but it was never as serious as any of this. He’d had a safe word because they’d thought it was important and he’d had his eyes covered, one time his wrists tied up, but it was never as delicate or as cool as the stuff he’d seen today. The level of precision and care that he’d seen, the skill that these people all had… It was awe inspiring.
It also left him with the overwhelming desire to take part in it all - to be the person wrapped up in rope, to be suspended, maybe, to be worshipped like that and then be able to give something in return. Submission had been intense and scary when he’d researched it, but when Suguru had shown him around and explained more it hadn’t felt quite so intimidating.
It felt more like something he needed. Like… He’d feel so good he could never turn back.
Sitting with Suguru continues to have him a little overwhelmed with want, shifting in the seat as they talk. Is it normal to be so worked up and horny over just talking about things? It feels a little crazy to him. ]
I think… Both? The suspension feels a little scary and advanced for me right now, but I’ve played around with rope before and I really liked it. It was a lot of fun?
[ He looks around, almost nervous, shy. ]
I don’t really know how to approach people for this stuff either.
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Suspensions should only be done with riggers who are experienced and have a very solid grasp on required safety measures. It's considered edgeplay, but we allow it here as long as no hooks are involved.
[ Suguru doesn't have the time, effort, or inclination to deal with the health hazards of blood all over the place. ]
The good news is that it's usually very easy to approach someone for play. You introduce yourself, you're direct, you ask if they have time or might be interested in negotiating a scene with you, and if they say yes, great. If they say no: no harm, no foul.
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Hooks, huh... [ Yuji sighs. ] I feel like there's so much to learn, and I have no idea about any of it.
[ Making himself a little more comfortable on the sofa, he looks up at Suguru. He's really the only person that Yuji had been interested in so far, but he hasn't really made any direct attempt to show that he's interested in him sexually or anything like that - not that play like this has to be sexual, it could just be submission without orgasm, but he's kind of hoping for both...
He's almost pouting. ]
It's a little bit scary to do that when I don't know anyone. I know the club takes safety seriously and stuff like that, Geto-san, but I have no idea what I'm ready for yet.
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Suguru can't claim his interest is innocent, by any means, but he's not trying to cordon Yuji away from anyone else or keep the younger man for himself; he just wants to ensure Yuji settles in comfortably.
And with the mention about not knowing anyone to play with... ]
Well, we're acquainted with each other now. We could negotiate a scene, if you'd like to play with me. [ If, per chance, maybe... (Like he hasn't noticed how worked up and eager Yuji is just from the conversation they're having. Shhhh.) ]
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[ The idea of doing something with Geto-san is something that makes Yuji yearn, suddenly, desperately, for something that he's never had before. He's never really submitted to someone, never been tied up, never considered how it might feel in reality, outside his fantasies, but he wants it - he wants it so much, especially with someone like Geto.
Maybe meeting someone who seems to match him so well is what makes it feel so alluring, so exciting... But he's not sure how to express it without getting too enthusiastic or overwhelming.
His eyes rise to look at Geto, and he knows he's flushed, cheeks red, and he makes a soft noise of delight, a little laugh. 'If you'd like to play with me', as if Yuji would ever dare to even consider saying no. Geto seems so utterly perfect to him, so... ]
I'd really like that. [ He shifts a little, wiggling just an inch closer. Curious, interested, wanting. ] I'd like you to guide me, please.
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Reaching across the space between them, Suguru rests his fingertip just under Yuji's chin, pointing those big warm eyes upward to meet Suguru's dark gaze. ]
So polite.
[ But because he's not going to help himself to Yuji without permission, he lets his hand fall away into his lap. He straightens up, somewhat more businesslike in his posture. Negotiating with a bottom he's never played with before and who's very new means taking this part seriously and covering their bases. He wants to make sure Yuji gets a firmer foundation for negotiations and potentially approaching other tops in the future. ]
Now, you'd like to do some rope. What parts of your body were you thinking about having restrained? Your arms, your chest, your legs?
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The hand falls away, and he comes back to himself briefly, before he breathes out. ]
I've had my hands tied up before, and that was nice, but I'd like to do more, I think?
[ The offer of doing so much more than that has him... He's not sure what the word is. All he can do is blush and stare at Suguru. ]
Across my chest, or my arms and legs... I'd like that too.
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We can certainly do more than just your hands.
[ He readjusts on the couch, folding a leg under himself to properly face Yuji, and he lifts his hands, hovering them over the younger man's biceps. ]
Is it all right if I touch you? I can show you what I'm thinking for rope placement and the way that'll require you to hold your body.
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[ As if he's not desperate to be touched, wanting to feel those big, powerful looking hands all over him... It's probably embarrassing, just how much he wants this, how excited he is for Geto and him to do something together. ]
I don't mind, especially while we're figuring stuff out. Go ahead.
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I'm considering a box tie that will put the ropes here. [ He traces his fingers along the top of Yuji's chest, from one shoulder to the other, then lower, to demonstrate a second band. ]
Do you think you can keep your arms behind your back for a while?
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Warm. Wanting.
From something as simple as this? How embarrassing. ]
It should be fine. It won't be any worse than martial arts training.
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That tidbit, however, catches Suguru's attention for a completely different reason. ]
Martial arts – is that so?
[ As a practitioner himself, he's naturally delighted to encounter others. Suguru drops his hands from Yuji to let the younger man relax again. ]
I'd like to hear much more about that later, Yuji. [ "Put a pin in that idea," basically. Because Suguru really wants to hear about Yuji's interests, especially if they involve that kind of physical activity.
A hand resting now on Yuji's thigh, Suguru demonstrates where he'd like the next ropes to sit. ]
How about binding your calves to your thighs? Pretty simple two-column tie, and it shouldn't be painful at all.
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Yeah. Remind me later, or I'll definitely forget.
[ Right now, his body is hyperfocused on the touches, the way that Geto's hand is moving over him, his fingers flexing. He doesn't even think to move his arms back in front of him, keeping them awkwardly in place as the attention shifts to his legs, instead.
He hadn't even considered his legs being tied up like that, but...
Yeah. He's into it. ]
I don't think I'd mind even if it was painful.
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For now, he's much more preoccupied with this new information about Yuji. ]
A bit of a masochist, are we?
[ Fingers slowly trail along Yuji's thigh and away again, and he's back to propping up his head, watching Yuji with that wide, disarming smile. ]
Have you played much with pain?
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[ But now that the option is right there in front of him... Yuji hesitates a little, gaze lifting to look at Suguru before he blinks away. It's strange, to be suddenly shy when they're talking about doing something as intense as rope together, but...
This is something different. ]
I've done a little bit, but I can take a lot of pain, so it's kind of freaked people out, before.
[ High endurance and higher pain tolerance makes for people panicking over hurting him when he's fine. ]
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[ Suguru himself has slept with and played with tops who weren't prepared for the level of pain that he could tolerate, that he would often solicit and encourage from proclaimed-sadists. As he's gotten older, he's learned how to select partners strong enough that they won't balk at Suguru's threshold for pain and physical punishment – but he remembers the early days of exploration that occasionally left him feeling out of place among other kinksters. He had to find the people whose style matched his own. On the other hand, he falls so naturally into his own sadism and need for control that he spent much of his time holding the reins to fill the community demand for proficient tops.
Now, in the role of an educator and venue owner, Suguru has a level of inherent power that he constantly minds. He doesn't play often, usually only privately, and he's selective – so the fact that Yuji caught his attention so avidly is unusual. (Maybe he sees something familiar in the younger man, something aching for acceptance and mirroring facets of Suguru's own desires. How can it not pique Suguru's curiosity?) ]
What kind of pain have you enjoyed? And what have you done before? If you don't mind me prying.
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[ Yuji's experiences are limited, unfortunately, because he's always ended up being the person in charge, or topping, or doing whatever his partner wants, so... It means that he's left to the realm of idle fantasy, that he's left to daydream about what he wants, and when he thinks about pain he knows he can handle a lot of it. He knows that he can take and take and not shy away from the more brutal side of things, and that's okay.
If it means he can fit in here... Then maybe the only thing he has to worry about is making sure it doesn't go too far. Geto-san had mentioned something about that earlier, hadn't he?
Gazing back up at the other man, he licks his lips, nodding. ]
I can get used to it really fast, so something that I don't expect or can't prepare for is probably what I want. I've had people hit me and spank me before, but they didn't want to hurt me so it was a little... Not bad, but not enough?
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I see. Well, I'm happy to inform you that I would very much like to hurt you, Yuji. [ There's some playful humor in his smile as he winks at the younger man. ] But only in the ways you like to be hurt.
[ He'll never expect Yuji to endure pain that he finds unenjoyable or unfulfilling. Ideally, whatever they explore can be catered to Yuji's level – or at least to a level where Yuji can differentiate between the types of pain that most suit him. When play can't even approach someone's threshold for masochism, it can be difficult to gauge where that line exists between pain that just wasn't enough or applied the right way and pain that doesn't mesh with the sensations a bottom seeks. Since Suguru knows how to make all of this happen, he hopes that he can offer Yuji a window into understanding himself a bit better. ]
What if I put you across my lap after I tie you? [ He demonstrates by running his hand flat over his own thighs. ] It will keep your weight off your arms, and your legs should naturally keep you balanced across my thighs.
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He trusts this man, this club, this moment, but he's not sure how much he trusts himself to be good when he's already feeling so much, so desperately. ]
I'd enjoy that a lot, Geto-san. Thank you...?
[ Pain that feels good... Yuji's accustomed to pain, but having it twinned with pleasure rather than grief is something for him to look forward to, something that he is going to find himself enjoying more than he can put into words. He'll definitely talk to Geto about it more, but it seems as though right now their focus might be on the rope...? They'll have to lay it all bare before anything starts, so...
Either way, he'll have fun.
Eyes still stuck to Geto, he nods. ]
This all sounds... Really good.
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Fair warning: the ties on your legs will cause the muscles in your thighs and ass to strain when you're in my lap – which means any spanking will likely feel more intense and potentially painful than what you're used to.
We can warm up and experiment with what feels good, but I don't want you to be caught off-guard if it hurts more than you expect right off the bat.
[ Even though Suguru really likes to make it hurt. ]
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[ Yuji knows he can ask for it to stop if he needs to, can't he? That's part of the system. He can stop it, or slow it down, or keep it going, depending on how he feels - and the same for Geto-san, too. If either of them are uncomfortable, it can end.
That's what makes it feel so much safer than doing it at home. ]
We can see what works best and what we both enjoy, can't we?
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How do you feel about incorporating more sexual play, too?
[ Suguru doesn't want to overstep and make any assumptions, of course, but he's very into Yuji. He'd like to see the younger man fall apart in subspace, maybe come his brains out, but he doesn't want to pressure Yuji as the owner of the club. ]
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The man is far too hot to say no to, even if Yuji had doubts about it.
Even the gentle probing about sex and sexual play is enough to have Yuji blushing, licking his lips as he blinks up at the man beside him. ]
I'd, um. I'd be into that, too.
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